Unfinished Tales - Part II: The Second Age

May 6, 2002 - June 21, 2002

This is the First Discussion - click at right to view the Second and Third Discussions.

Unfortunately, in 2016 the TORn servers began redirecting all hyperlinks to the 'Old Boards' to the current discussion boards. The 'grayed-out' links will be updated if the archival links are ever restored.

Home    Previous: Part I     Next: Part III

 

I. A Description of the Island of Númenor

by Kiskadee, May 6-11, 2002

Ideal Landscapes [5/6/2002 @ 11:25] (10/24)

Where is it? [5/6/2002 @ 12:16] (6/11)

Pillar of the Heavens [5/7/2002 @ 11:05] (4/26)

"breeding only useless regret" [5/7/2002 @ 11:32] (6/11)

"the Fragrant Trees" [5/8/2002 @ 4:51] (3/9)

"The Golden Chain" [5/8/2002 @ 4:59] (2/6)

"multitudes beyond reckoning" [5/8/2002 @ 6:30] (4/10)

Site of Numenor: Official confirmation. <Reverend> [5/8/2002 @ 20:59] (4/11)

"precious metals" [5/9/2002 @ 4:03] (5/13)

[Description of Númenor]: no title [5/10/2002 @ 0:11] (3/14)

A gilded cage ? [5/10/2002 @ 0:50] (3/11)

final question [5/11 @ 23:17] (6/16)

The summary [5/11 @ 23:49] (12/12)

 

See the 2nd Discussion by N.E. Brigand, July-August 2006

See the 3rd Discussion by Ardamire, January 2014

 

II. Aldarion and Erendis: The Mariner's Wife

by Altaira, May 13-24, 2002

#1) Introduction [5/13 @ 17:13] (10/51)

#2) Introduction Continued [5/13 @ 17:16] (6/13)

#3) A word about Silmarien and the Line of Elendil [5/14 @ 18:08] (6/8)

#4) Meneldur Elentirmo (The Star Watcher) [5/14 @ 18:13] (5/12)

#5) Veantur the Mariner [5/14 @ 18:24] (5/5)

#6) An all expense paid trip to Middle-earth [5/15 @ 18:27] (4/7)

#7) Aldarion the Explorer [5/15 @ 19:33] (6/17)

#8) The Guild of Venturers [5/16 @ 18:18] (4/9)

#9) Enter Erendis [5/16 @ 19:00] (4/8)

#10) Yet One Day You Must Take a Wife [5/16 @ 19:35] (4/6)

#11) Aldarion Returns Erendis' Love [5/17 @ 18:05] (8/10)

#12) Meneldur's Mistake [5/17 @ 18:08] (5/11)

#13) The Ships of The Numenoreans: Some Weekend Fun! [5/17 @ 18:41] (4/20)

Aldarion's sea-longing <Kimi> [5/20 @ 11:59] (3/8)

#14) Difficulties at Sea [5/20 @ 17:17] (3/5)

#15) The Guardianship of The Valar [5/20 @ 18:05] (2/9)

#16) Little Details: "Call me Onya" [5/20 @ 18:31] (3/9)

#17) Erendis' Turn to Hesitate [5/21 @ 15:41] (5/13)

#18) Aldarion is from Mars, Erendis is from Venus [5/21 @ 15:49] (9/12)

#19) Now, And For All Nows [5/22 @ 17:21] (6/9)

#20) The Sea Longing [5/22 @ 17:25] (6/8)

#21) A Man Long-Sighted [5/22 @ 17:32] (6/20)

#22) Little Details: A Star on the Brow and a White Tree [5/22 @ 18:09] (5/9)

#23) Aldarion Breaks his Word [5/23 @ 18:02] (5/12)

#24) The Last Meeting of Aldarion and Erendis [5/23 @ 18:07] (5/10)

#25) The Letter of Gil-galad [5/23 @ 18:10] (4/5)

#26) Meneldur Surrenders the Throne [5/23 @ 18:41] (4/4)

Remembering the good times. <Kimi> [5/24 @ 1:08] (2/6)

#27) Ancalime [5/24 @ 17:45] (5/7)

#28) Little Details - Ceremonies of the Numenoreans [5/24 @ 17:49] (0/0)

#29) The End of Aldarion and Erendis [5/24 @ 17:54] (6/8)

#30) Summary [5/24 @ 19:56] (13/13)

Further (satirical) reflexions on Aldarion and Erendis -- the real culprit revealed <NZ Strider> [5/25 @ 19:29] (8/8)

.....why did Tolkien write this? <Lady Aredhel> [5/26 @ 5:01] (4/9)

Altaira: Thanks for leading a great discussion! <Karen> [5/28 @ 9:43] (1/2)

See the 2nd Discussion by Silent Lion, August 2006

See the 3rd Discussion by Brethil, January 2014

 

III. The Line of Elros: Kings of Númenor

by Celandine Brandybuck, May 27-31, 2002

(1) Introduction [5/27 @ 8:23] (2/9)

(2) On the life-span of the Númenóreans: [5/27 @ 8:25] (3/7)

(3) On the life-span of the line of Elros: [5/27 @ 8:26] (3/5)

(4) On "clinging to life" among the Númenóreans: [5/27 @ 8:27] (4/5)

(5) On the enigmatic Elros: [5/28 @ 9:06] (3/13)

(6) On the children of Tar-Elendil: [5/28 @ 9:06] (3/7)

(7) On the importance of names: [5/28 @ 9:07] (4/6)

(8) On the succession: [5/29 @ 7:57] (4/14)

(9) On female inheritance: [5/29 @ 7:58] (3/6)

(10) On ruling Queens: [5/29 @ 7:59] (3/8)

(11) On the coming of the Shadow: [5/30 @ 8:27] (3/4)

(12) On Tar-Atanamir the Great: [5/30 @ 8:27] (2/10)

(13) On the royal titles in Quenya: [5/30 @ 8:27] (2/4)

(14) On the use of the Eldarin tongues: [5/31 @ 7:52] (2/7)

(15) On Tar-Palantir and repentance: [5/31 @ 7:52] (4/6)

(16) On the writing of these annals: [5/31 @ 7:53] (2/4)

(17) Summary: [5/31 @ 7:53] (6/7)

re notes 1 and 16. <Curious> [5/31 @ 8:59] (5/8)

More thanks to Celandine Brandybuck for undertaking what appeared a hopeless task (leading the discussion of "The Line of Elros" <NZ Strider> [6/1 @ 17:18] (2/2)

 

See the 2nd Discussion by N.E. Brigand, August 2006

See the 3rd Discussion by Ardamire, January 2014

 

IV. The History of Galadriel and Celeborn:
1. 'Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn'

by Altaira, June 3-8, 2002

#1 Introduction [6/3 @ 18:10] (5/12)

#2 Galadriel, The Greatest of the Noldor? [6/3 @ 18:28] (7/13)

#3 No tresses for Feanor [6/3 @ 18:32] (5/16)

Volunteers needed for the rest of the chapter! [6/3/2002 @ 22:45] (0/0)

Answering Altaira's call for volunteers... <Watson> [6/3/2002 @ 23:21] (3/8)

#4 The Lure of Middle-Earth [6/4 @ 17:18] (1/9)

#5 A Question of Rebellion [6/4 @ 17:21] (2/19)

#6 Celeborn: Teleri or Sindarin? [6/4 @ 17:24] (4/20)

#8 Why did Galadriel stay in ME as long as she did? [6/5 @ 17:21] (9/20)

#7 East to Eregion [6/5 @ 17:24] (3/5)

#9 Sauron Retreats to Mordor [6/5 @ 17:28] (5/13)

#10 Sauron: A Thorn by any Other Name [6/6 @ 19:32] (3/5)

#11 Galadriel Flees to Lorien [6/6 @ 19:41] (4/21)

#13 The Fate of The Ring of Power [6/6 @ 19:47] (7/38)

#14 The sack of Eregion [6/7 @ 18:08] (2/4)

#15 Events During the Founding of Imladris [6/7 @ 18:23] (4/10)

#16 Tying up Loose Ends. [6/7 @ 18:27] (2/2)

Okay, a few questions about Galadriel <Lady Greenarcher> [6/8 @ 5:30] (2/15)

#17 Conclusion [6/8 @ 7:41] (14/17)

Musings (of a humorous nature) on Galadriel <NZ Strider> [6/15 @ 16:33] (14/16)

See the 2nd Discussion by Beren IV, August 2006

See the 3rd Discussion by Mikah, February 2014

 

IV. The History of Galadriel and Celeborn:
2. 'Amroth and Nimrodel'

by Morwen, June 9-12, 2002

#1 Introduction [6/9 @ 18:54] (1/1)

#2 Love and Marriage [6/9 @ 19:02] (4/12)

#3 Nimrodel in Fangorn [6/9 @ 19:09] (3/9)

#4 The choices of Nimrodel [6/10 @ 19:23] (5/8)

#5 Amroth and Nimrodel are separated [6/10 @ 19:29] (2/11)

#6 The voyage West [6/10 @ 19:40] (4/9)

#7 Amroth is lost [6/11 @ 19:37] (2/7)

#8 Nimrodel is lost [6/11 @ 19:43] (3/7)

#9 Celeborn and Galadriel return to Lorien. [6/11 @ 19:53] (3/3)

#10 Mithrellas [6/12 @ 20:48] (4/11)

 

See the 2nd Discussion by Beren IV, August 2006

See the 3rd Discussion by CuriousG, February 2014

 

IV. The History of Galadriel and Celeborn:
3. 'The Elessar'

by Morwen, June 12-14, 2002

#1 Introduction [6/12 @ 20:49] (3/4)

#2 Elves and Men [6/12 @ 20:51] (4/4)

#3 The Elessar leaves Middle Earth [6/13 @ 21:11] (3/3)

#4 The Elfstone returns to Middle Earth [6/13 @ 21:33] (4/5)

#5 Alternate Elessar story [6/13 @ 21:37] (6/12)

Conclusion [6/14 @ 19:43] (8/8)

 

See the 2nd Discussion by Beren IV, August-September 2006

See the 3rd Discussion by CuriousG, February 2014

 

IV. The History of Galadriel and Celeborn:
4. Appendices

by Lady Aredhel, June 17-21, 2002

A. The Silvan Elves and Their Speech

(#1) [6/17 @ 2:50] (3/3)

(#2) [6/17 @ 2:57] (3/4)

(#3) [6/17 @ 17:38] (5/10)

B. The Sindarin Princes of the Silvan Elves

(#1) [6/18 @ 3:22] (5/7)

(#2) [6/18 @ 3:25] (2/3)

(#3) [6/18 @ 19:16] (2/7)

C. The Boundaries of Lorien

The Boundries of Lorien [6/19 @ 13:51] (3/3)

D. The Port of Lond Daer

(#1) [6/20 @ 18:49] (2/8)

(#2) [6/20 @ 19:05] (3/7)

E. The Names of Celeborn and Galadriel

The Names of Galadriel and Celeborn [6/21 @ 19:25] (2/3)

 

Appendix: The History of Galadriel and Celeborn: A summary [6/21 @ 19:36] (6/9)

The 2nd Discussion omitted this section of the Chapter

The 3rd Discussion omitted this section of the Chapter

Home    Previous: Part I     Next: Part III