The Fellowship of the Ring - Book I

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2002-04

September 2, 2002 - November 23, 2002

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Prologue

by Lothirienne, November 30-December 6, 2003

Discussion of Prologue Organization [11/30 @ 14:44] (7/16)

Concerning Hobbits

# 1 [12/1 @ 2:34] (7/9)

# 2 [12/1 @ 2:37] (7/10)

# 3 [12/1 @ 2:43] (4/17)

# 4 [12/1 @ 3:08] (1/8)

# 5 [12/1 @ 3:13] (7/10)

# 6 [12/1 @ 3:18] (7/7)

Concerning Pipeweed

# 1 [12/2 @ 2:00] (7/32)

#2 [12/2 @ 2:03] (7/8)

# 3 [12/2 @ 2:08] (7/13)

# 4 [12/2 @ 2:12] (3/25)

On the Ordering of the Shire

# 1 [12/3 @ 0:35] (6/13)

#2 [12/3 @ 0:41] (6/10)

# 3 [12/3 @ 0:52] (6/9)

Of the Finding of the Ring

# 1 [12/4 @ 2:20] (10/13)

# 2 [12/4 @ 2:29] (5/9)

# 3 [12/4 @ 2:35] (6/10)

Note on the Shire Records

# 1 [12/5 @ 0:14] (2/6)

#2 [12/5 @ 0:21] (5/6)

# 3 [12/5 @ 0:28] (3/3)

# 4 [12/5 @ 0:34] (4/4)

 

Open Discussion [12/5 @ 10:28] (6/25)

The Red Book <wishilookedlikearwen> [12/5 @ 15:39] (2/8)

Summary [12/6 @ 16:37] (14/14)

 

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See the 3rd Discussion by ShireRat77, February 2005

See the 4th Discussion by N. E. Brigand, October 2007

There was no 5th Discussion of the Prologue

See the 6th Discussion by NoWizardMe, November 2016

 

A Long-Expected Party

by inferno, September 2-6, 2002

Sequel [9/2 @ 10:24] (14/22)

The Feast [9/2 @ 10:43] (10/18)

The Ring [9/2 @ 6:48] (10/18)

Anachronism [9/2 @ 6:58] (13/48)

Concerning Hobbits [9/3 @ 6:11] (7/19)

Victorian Life [9/3 @ 6:15] (8/15)

Dramatis Personae [9/3 @ 6:24] (10/37)

Elves and Dragons vs. Cabbages and Potatoes [9/3 @ 6:29] (12/38)

Fireworks [9/4 @ 10:52] (6/25)

Bilbo's Speech [9/4 @ 10:53] (4/14)

Gandalf and the Ring [9/4 @ 10:54] (5/5)

Poetry [9/4 @ 10:55] (15/25)

Bilbo's Book [9/5 @ 7:15] (2/5)

Bilbo gives up the Ring [9/5 @ 7:18] (13/17)

Three Dwarves [9/5 @ 7:23] (13/26)

Gifts [9/5 @ 7:28] (9/15)

Open Forum [9/6 @ 6:31] (1/12)

Let me sum up [9/6 @ 7:37] (19/19)

 

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See the 5th Discussion by Curious, May 2010

See the 6th Discussion by Rembrethil, December 2014

 

The Shadow of the Past

by Curious, September 9-30, 2002

1 – Pronunciation of Names [9/6 @ 8:02] (14/43)

2 – Fireside Tales [9/6 @ 8:52] (11/36)

3 – The Last Supper [9/8 @ 18:35] (11/22)

4 – Friends and Relatives [9/9 @ 3:07] (6/14)

5 – Elves in the Shire [9/9 @ 7:24] (8/20)

6 – Frodo's Life [9/9 @ 10:35] (5/10)

7 – Crossing the River [9/9 @ 14:34] (14/41)

8 – Dwarves, No Humans [9/9 @ 18:27] (8/19)

9 – Tree-men [9/10 @ 2:48] (10/29)

10 – Gandalf Reappears [9/10 @ 2:51] (9/29)

11 – Doubt Slept [9/10 @ 12:23] (12/30)

12 – Saving the Shire [9/10 @ 14:21] (16/46)

13 – Ring and Cloud [9/11 @ 6:54] (9/25)

14 – The One Ring [9/11 @ 7:00] (10/38)

15 – The Shadow [9/11 @ 11:29] (12/35)

16 – The Seven [9/11 @ 14:40] (6/23)

17 – Sméagol [9/11 @ 21:01] (9/31)

18 – Gollum [9/12 @ 7:08] (8/20)

19 – Hope [9/12 @ 7:12] (8/22)

20 – Is Gollum Undead? [9/12 @ 9:09] (8/22)

21 – Stray Words [9/12 @ 13:33] (8/25)

22 – Pity [9/12 @ 17:25] (9/26)

23 – Frodo's Dilemma [9/13 @ 4:49] (6/18)

24 – Sam the Gardener [9/13 @ 8:13] (8/28)

25 – Sam the Sneak [9/13 @ 8:54] (4/16)

26 – Sam Joins Frodo [9/13 @ 10:47] (7/23)

27 – Frodo, Gollum & Sam [9/13 @ 12:02] (16/42)

28 – Summary [9/13 @ 12:53] (18/20)

29 – Belated Questions! [9/23 @ 9:52] (11/39)

So, Curious, where's part 30 already? <Reverend> [9/30 @ 7:47] (1/7)

 

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See the 6th Discussion by Kim, December 2014

 

Three Is Company

by Blue Wizard, September 16-20, 2002

Unless ceremony shows up, I'll start "Three is Company" [9/16 @ 7:53] (5/10)

#1 "He thought as little as possible about the Ring" [9/16 @ 8:45] (12/17)

#2 "It may be your task" [9/16 @ 8:50] (12/13)

#3 - "I have heard something" [9/16 @ 10:27] (9/14)

#4 "Folco went home after lunch" [9/17 @ 6:08] (6/18)

#5 "They left the washing up for Lobelia" [9/17 @ 6:44] (6/18)

#6 "'That's good for a beginning" [9/17 @ 9:57] (11/37)

#7 "For a short way they followed the lane westwards" [9/18 @ 5:00] (8/12)

#8 "A tune that was as old as the hills" [9/18 @ 5:11] (8/40)

#9 " I reckon it was one of the Big Folk from foreign parts." [9/18 @ 10:23] (6/18)

#10 "The wind's in the West" [9/19 @ 5:47] (8/23)

#11 "Do Elves live in those woods?" [9/19 @ 6:01] (4/7)

#12 -"We seem to be going the same way" [9/19 @ 6:18] (5/26)

Free Discussion [9/19 @ 8:00] (4/24)

Some more discussion fodder for "Three is Company" <NZ Strider>[9/19 @ 22:44] (12/26)

Summing up [9/20 @ 6:18] (19/34)

"The Hunt for the Ring" and "Three's Company." <Curious> [9/20 @ 8:01] (6/8)

 

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See the 6th Discussion by Cats16, Dec. 2014-Jan. 2015 

 

A Shortcut to Mushrooms

by Draupne, September 23-27, 2002

#1 [9/23 @ 10:47] (9/30)

#2 Pippin and Frodo [9/23 @ 10:51] (12/19)

#3 Sam and Frodo [9/23 @ 10:57] (11/13)

#4 [9/24 @ 5:29] (4/9)

#5 [9/24 @ 5:44] (9/17)

#6 The Stock-brook [9/24 @ 8:19] (3/5)

#7 [9/25 @ 3:45] (5/18)

#8 more on mushrooms [9/25 @ 5:42] (7/15)

#9 Black Riders wailing [9/25 @ 6:00] (10/39)

#10 Out of the wood [9/26 @ 9:07] (5/11)

#11 farmers [9/26 @ 9:31] (4/6)

#12 Houses and dogs [9/26 @ 9:50] (5/12)

#13 Dogs and names [9/26 @ 10:10] (5/33)

#14 The Black Rider and farmer Maggot [9/27 @ 8:06] (7/14)

#15 [9/27 @ 8:31] (6/10)

#16 [9/27 @ 8:55] (15/16)

 

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See the 3rd Discussion by Altaira & squire, March 2005

See the 4th Discussion by Saelind, November 2007

See the 5th Discussion by Curious, June 2010

See the 6th Discussion by SirDennisC, January 2015

 

Thematic Interlude

FotR side discussion: comparing Books I and II. <Curious> [10/1 @ 7:56] (9/70)

Revisiting the repeated themes disucssion (hopefully coherently) <Inferno> [10/2 @ 8:05] (6/19)

 

A Conspiracy Unmasked

by Curious, Idril Celebrindal, et al., Sept 30-Oct 5, 2002

I have this chapter :-) <Lady Aredhel> [9/30 @ 21:05] (1/1)

To Lady Aredhel. <Curious> [10/1 @ 19:19] (3/3)

My questions about "A Conspiracy Unmasked," Part 1: Did Merry Lie? <Curious> [10/2 @ 6:55] (7/17)

My questions re "A Conspiracy Unmasked," Part 2: Money. <Curious> [10/2 @ 7:00] (7/22)

A Conspiracy Unmasked-- a general sort of question <Inferno> [10/2 @ 18:29] (4/5)

Crossings <Idril Celebrindal> [10/2 @ 19:14] (4/8)

We need to track Frodo's Dreams.... <Reverend> [10/2 @ 19:18] (7/22)

Bath time! <Idril Celebrindal> [10/2 @ 19:39] (11/17)

The Conspirators <Idril Celebrindal> [10/2 @ 19:56] (5/12)

The Story So Far <Idril Celebrindal> [10/3 @ 14:39] (2/5)

Frodo <Idril Celebrindal> [10/3 @ 14:45] (7/9)

Into the Old Forest <Idril Celebrindal> [10/3 @ 19:15] (6/9)

Summary <Idril Celebrindal> [10/4 @ 14:14] (11/11)

Some general thoughts on the transition from Shire to Old Forest <NZ Strider> [10/5 @ 14:41] (5/6)

Comments about “A Conspiracy Unmasked.” <Curious> [10/5 @ 23:30] (5/14)

 

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See the 3rd Discussion by Ltberr, March 2005

See the 4th Discussion by Nerdanel, November 2007

See the 5th Discussion by Curious, June 2010

See the 6th Discussion by Brethil, January 2015

 

The Old Forest

by Thevina Finduilas, October 7-25, 2002

#1- Forest Personality [10/6 @ 19:09] (10/22)

#2- History [10/7 @ 9:27] (11/26)

#3- There's Something About Merry [10/7 @ 16:12] (9/14)

#4- Inner Forest [10/8 @ 5:14] (7/9)

#5- Noises [10/8 @ 10:32] (5/8)

#6- The Willow [10/9 @ 6:17] (3/22)

#7- Help! [10/9 @ 11:18] (4/5)

#8- Forest affects [10/9 @ 9:36] (4/6)

#8 1/2- An Observation [10/9 @ 14:20] (4/13)

#9- Tom and the Forest [10/10 @ 5:18] (9/20)

#10- Tom Bombadil [10/10 @ 8:27] (7/14)

While there are so many people in the Reading Room- #11- Big Picture Theories #1 [10/10 @ 12:27] (7/11)

#12- More Big Picture Theories [10/11 @ 6:12] (2/2)

Last Theory: Dreams [10/11 @ 8:10] (4/8)

By the way, thanks to Thelvina Finduilas... <Reverend> [10/14 @ 7:42] (6/7)

Old Man Willow and the Old Forest. <Curious> [10/21 @ 11:18] (1/1)

 

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See the 3rd Discussion by weaver, March 2005

See the 4th Discussion by dernwyn, Nov.-Dec. 2007

See the 5th Discussion by Curious, June 2010

See the 6th Discussion by BlackFox, January 2015 

 

In the House of Tom Bombadil

by Lottelita et al., October 14-Nov 18, 2002

#1: I love this chapter! [10/14 @ 7:33] (13/24)

#2: I hate this chapter! [10/14 @ 7:37] (5/11)

#3: The house [10/14 @ 8:29] (4/13)

#4: Fair Lady Goldberry [10/14 @ 12:03] (7/61)

#5: “He is.” [10/14 @ 12:37] (8/23)

#6: A long and merry meal [10/14 @ 13:11] (5/7)

#7: “… was it just chance …?” [10/14 @ 13:23] (10/24)

#8: "Heed no nightly noises." [10/15 @ 19:28] (3/12)

#9: "A dream without light" [10/15 @ 19:41] (7/21)

#10: "A change came over his dreams." [10/15 @ 19:49] (5/8)

#11: "Into his quiet sleep" [10/15 @ 19:57] (4/9)

#12: The contented log [10/15 @ 19:59] (8/12)

(side discussion) In the house of Tom Bombadil - Closer than we know? <Ataahua> [10/15 @ 20:52] (3/14)

Quick note on Goldberry and River-woman <NZ Strider> [10/15 @ 22:25] (2/6)

#13: Tom’s tales: “the lives of the forest” [10/16 @ 13:08] (4/9)

#14: Tom’s tales: “up on to the Downs” [10/16 @ 13:29] (4/12)

#15: "strange regions beyond their memory" [10/16 @ 13:46] (8/11)

#16: Tom’s tales: “Who are you, Master?” [10/16 @ 14:52] (4/6)

#17: What is Tom? [10/16 @ 14:56] (11/21)

#18: Why is Tom? [10/16 @ 14:59] (9/27)

Question about In the House of Bombadil <Inferno> [10/17 @ 8:31] (8/21)

In the House of T.B.: The Autumn Equinox. <Curious> [10/18 @ 12:36] (3/4)

The Ring [10/18 @ 16:52] (7/16)

How does Tom know Maggot? <DaughterofRohan> [10/21 @ 8:03] (1/4)

Thank you, Lottelita, for last week's discussion! <Curious> [10/21 @ 8:41] (10/10)

Goldberry - a small question <Kimi> [10/22 @ 2:02] (3/20)

For those who don't like Tom's songs. <Curious> [10/24 @ 7:18] (3/5)

OK, my long Tom Bombadil post. I would love comments. <Curious> [10/25 @ 15:59] (10/44)

For those who were away this weekend: <Curious> [10/28 @ 4:50] (6/15)

Further thoughts on Faërie in LotR. <Curious> [11/12 @ 6:34] (7/55)

Bombadil's secret identity (hold those tomatoes!). <Curious> [11/18 @ 8:25] (13/33)

My Bombadil essay: a work in progress. <Curious> [5/22/03 @ 18:11] (8/16)

 

See the 1st Discussion by Aelric, May 2000

See 'The Bombadillion' by NZ Strider, November 2002

See the 3rd Discussion by Nerdanel_50, March-April 2005

See the 4th Discussion by a.s., December 2007

See the 5th Discussion by Curious, July 2010

See the 6th Discussion by squire, Jan.-Feb. 2015

 

Fog on the Barrow-Downs

by Idril Celebrindal, Oct 21-Nov 5, 2002

"Fog on the Barrow Downs" discussion to start later today [10/21 @ 5:56] (0/0)

Bombadil and Frodo's Dreams [10/21 @ 13:35] (5/10)

Frodo and Goldberry [10/21 @ 14:07] (9/40)

Goldberry's Blessing [10/21 @ 14:29] (8/13)

Shadows and Fog [10/22 @ 15:26] (5/8)

The spirit of the downs? [10/23 @ 7:22] (7/40)

Gothic horror [10/23 @ 7:28] (8/23)

Burial customs of the North and South Kingdoms [10/23 @ 7:49] (4/11)

Hobbit tales [10/23 @ 7:58] (7/7)

Barrows [10/23 @ 8:39] (13/20)

The Wight is waiting ... [10/24 @ 6:26] (5/9)

The Barrow-wight's spell [10/24 @ 7:07] (6/20)

Frodo and the Ring [10/24 @ 7:10] (6/17)

Tom to the rescue! [10/25 @ 10:49] (5/15)

You have found yourselves again, out of the deep water [10/25 @ 11:19] (3/3)

Sons of forgotten kings, wandering in loneliness [10/25 @ 11:33] (4/5)

Tom's country ends here [10/25 @ 11:42] (5/6)

Summary [10/25 @ 12:01] (14/14)

Fog on the Barrow Downs question... <Taryávëwen> [11/5 @ 14:41] (3/3)

See the 1st Discussion by Aradan, May 2000

See the 3rd Discussion by Entwife Wandlimb, April 2005

See the 4th Discussion by drogo, December 2007

See the 5th Discussion by Curious, July 2010

See the 6th Discussion by DanielLB, February 2015

 

At the Sign of the Prancing Pony

by Ufthak, Oct 28-Nov 3, 2002

#1 Bree: A Travel Brochure [10/27 @ 16:37] (8/20)

#2 The Bree Folk [10/28 @ 5:19] (5/20)

#3 Jumping At Shadows [10/29 @ 4:15] (10/18)

#4 Barliman and Strider : Skin Deep? [10/29 @ 5:43] (7/42)

#5 Merry’s good advice [10/30 @ 3:20] (8/11)

#6 Frodo gets stage-fright [10/31 @ 3:35] (5/29)

#7 A Beginner’s Guide to how to Blow Your Cover [11/1 @ 2:58] (8/13)

Why was there so much less "coming and going" between the Shire and Bree than in the past? (No Text) <Curious> [11/1 @ 20:07] (1/2)

Just how old is The Prancing Pony? <Curious> [11/1 @ 20:08] (1/11)

Conclusion [11/2 @ 8:40] (14/18)

Some quick notes on proper names in Breeland and environs <NZ Strider> [11/3 @ 10:50] (2/4)

 

See the 1st Discussion by Kimi, May 2000

See the 3rd Discussion by Elf Princess of Lorien, April 2005

See the 4th Discussion by entmaiden, December 2007

See the 5th Discussion by Curious, July 2010

See the 6th Discussion by Sador, February 2015

 

Strider

by Tauriel, November 4-11, 2002

#1: "Things Not To Do When You Want To Be Trusted" [11/4 @ 4:00] (5/44)

#2: ”Getting To Know Your Enemies”: [11/4 @ 9:16] (7/9)

#3: ”Strider, the Mysterious Stranger” [11/4 @ 13:18] (6/18)

#4: Barliman Butterbur [11/5 @ 1:10] (7/32)

#5: “Gandalf’s Hasty Letter” [11/5 @ 6:00] (7/19)

#6: ”What if…?” [11/5 @ 11:00] (3/5)

#7: “Different Approaches to the Unknown” [11/6 @ 1:36] (5/8)

#8: “Fair is Foul and Foul is Fair – Or How Was That Again?” [11/6 @ 6:20] (4/22)

#9: ”More to a Wizard Than Meets the Eye” [11/6 @ 11:07] (5/5)

#10: “Chasing Black Riders” [11/7 @ 3:13] (4/10)

#11: ”I’m a Poor Lonesome Ranger” [11/7 @ 5:57] (6/30)

#12: ”The End” (no, not of the discussion ;-)) [11/7 @ 12:03] (4/4)

#13: ”Movie vs. Book” [11/8 @ 4:00] (13/38)

#14: Anything overlooked [11/8 @ 5:23] (2/27)

#15: Conclusion [11/8 @ 13:22] (16/18)

Hobbits' room attackers ruffians not wraiths? <cabbage'n'taters> [11/11 @ 5:11] (4/22)

The 1st Discussion archive has been lost.

See the 3rd Discussion by Lothirienne, April 2005

See the 4th Discussion by Elizabeth, January 2008

See the 5th Discussion by Curious, August 2010

See the 6th Discussion by Arithmancer, February 2015 

 

A Knife in the Dark

by Altaira, November 11-16, 2002

#1 - FEAR! FIRE! FOES! [11/11 @ 17:31] (10/16)

#2 – Nazgul Navigation [11/11 @ 19:08] (6/8)

#3 – Frodo’s Third Dream [11/12 @ 14:39] (8/15)

#4 – Concerning Strider: 1 [11/13 @ 18:27] (7/7)

#5 – Concerning Strider: 2 [11/13 @ 18:35] (5/15)

#6 – The Lay of The Land [11/13 @ 20:44] (8/13)

#7 – Neekerbreekers and a Light Show [11/14 @ 19:33] (9/13)

#8 – The view from Weathertop [11/14 @ 19:37] (5/11)

#9 – The Tale of Tinuviel [11/14 @ 19:47] (6/6)

#10: The Black Riders [11/15 @ 18:25] (8/22)

#11: The Attack [11/15 @ 18:41] (6/23)

#12: Conclusion [11/16 @ 11:32] (11/11)

A question inspired by “A Knife in the Dark.” <Curious> [11/17 @ 13:29] (3/3)

See the 1st Discussion by Annael, May-June 2000

See the 3rd Discussion by Isis, April 2005

See the 4th Discussion by squire, January 2008

See the 5th Discussion by Curious, August 2010

See the 6th Discussion by Elizabeth, February 2015

 

Flight to the Ford

by NZ Strider, November 18-23, 2002

NZ Strider-- <Inferno> [11/15 @ 8:56] (1/6)

#1 Preliminary Remarks & Introductory Matter [11/17 @ 0:18] (10/20)

# 2 Frodo Comes To [11/18 @ 0:07] (6/14)

# 3 The Morgul-knife [11/18 @ 0:09] (11/24)

# 4 Athelas [11/18 @ 10:19] (7/17)

# 5 Frodo and the Ring [11/18 @ 10:21] (2/7)

# 6 Frodo's Wound [11/18 @ 23:13] (8/17)

# 7 A Panoramic View [11/18 @ 23:14] (9/11)

# 8 The Elf-stone [11/19 @ 11:50] (8/28)

# 9 More hints about Strider's Background [11/19 @ 11:53] (9/18)

# 10 Meriadoc Brandybuck [11/19 @ 22:46] (4/7)

# 11 Peregrin Took [11/19 @ 22:46] (6/14)

# 12 Comic Relief [11/20 @ 10:33] (5/5)

#13 Tolkien sings the Troll Song! [11/20 @ 10:36] (5/6)

# 14 Tolkien's Use of Folksongs [11/20 @ 21:38] (5/13)

#15 Glorfindel (I) [11/20 @ 21:40] (9/9)

# 16 Glorfindel (II) [11/21 @ 9:14] (5/7)

# 17 Glorfindel (III) [11/21 @ 9:15] (8/13)

# 18 The Nazgûl attack [11/21 @ 20:04] (7/16)

# 19 The Flood [11/21 @ 20:05] (10/17)

# 20 End of Book I [11/22 @ 9:51] (7/8)

# 21 Open discussion; anything I missed? [11/22 @ 9:52] (2/2)

# 22 Summary [11/23 @ 7:17] (14/15)

 

See the 1st Discussion by Annael, June 2000

See the 3rd Discussion by RosieLass, May 2005

See the 4th Discussion by Elentari3018, January 2008

See the 5th Discussion by Curious, September 2010

See the 6th Discussion by Bracegirdle, March 2015

 

The Bombadillion

by NZ Strider et al., Oct 14-Nov 18, 2002

Tom Bombadil :an uncanny character <elspeth_heather> [11/26 @ 10:05] (4/22)

I. Original Version of "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil" [11/26 @ 11:57] (4/16)

II. The countryside of the 1934 version of “The Adventures of Tom Bombadil” & Bombadil’s rôle in this poem [11/26 @ 13:10] (5/13)

III. Use of the “Bombadil” material in the LotR. Part A. [12/2 @ 12:56] (5/30)

IV: The Use of the “Bombadil” Material in the LotR. B & C. [12/9 @ 8:46] (3/11)

Just who was Tom Bombadil??? <Dlz> [12/12 @ 15:59] (5/16)

 

     

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