The Two Towers - Book IV

Oct 4 - Dec 10, 2005

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Everyone is in a fix and no mistake -- standing on the brink of a tall cliff, bare and bleak, and hearing the imagined step of flapping feet on the rock behind. Join us in the Reading Room as we read Chapter I of Book IV of The Two Towers: "The Taming of Smeagol".

 

The Taming of Smeagol

by N.E. Brigand, Oct 4-9, 2005

"In a fix"    [10/4 @ 1:54 PM]  (10/26)

“This strange twisted knot of hills”    [10/4 @ 10:37 PM]  (8/12)

“Those as can’t fly can jump!”    [10/4 @ 10:41 PM]  (7/9)

“Once in milder days”   [10/8 @ 2:27 PM]  (4/11)

"A help in many needs"    [10/8 @ 3:15 PM]  (4/15)

“The miserable slinker”    [10/9 @ 7:57 PM]  (2/2)

“Snakes and ladders!”    [10/9 @ 7:59 PM]  (4/10)

“They bites our hands”    [10/9 @ 8:04 PM]  (7/9)

“The result surprised them both”    [10/9 @ 8:06 PM]  (3/6)

“It may twist your words.”    [10/9 @ 8:10 PM]  (4/40)

“There was a black silence” (Open Discussion and Word List)    [10/9 @ 8:14 PM]  (15/23)

 

See the 1st Discussion by Kyriel, November2000

See the 2nd Discussion by Nimfalma Took, May 2003

See the 4th Discussion by laerasea, June 2008

See the 5th Discussion by Darkstone, March-April 2011

See the 6th Discussion by noWizardme, January 2016

Everyone is floundering, stepping or falling hands-first into waters as noisome as a cesspool. Join us *sniff, sniff...but not too close* as we traverse the Dead Marshes and cross the Noman-lands, in Book IV, Chapter 2 of The Two Towers: "The Passage of the Marshes."

 

The Passage of the Marshes

by Altaira, Oct 11-16, 2005

The Passage of the Marshes #1    [10/11 @ 3:36 PM]  (8/17)

Here comes the Sun    [10/12 @ 2:35 PM]  (5/8)

None for me, thanks    [10/12 @ 3:05 PM]  (7/23)

Hope & Expectations    [10/13 @ 6:42 PM]  (12/14)

Tolkien’s other character – the environment    [10/14 @ 1:30 PM]  (5/6)

Got a light?    [10/14 @ 2:29 PM]  (4/5)

Wraiths on wings!!    [10/15 @ 9:28 PM]  (2/2)

The great debate    [10/15 @ 10:05 PM]  (6/13)

Frodo    [10/16 @ 3:26 PM]  (5/7)

Open Discussion    [10/16 @ 3:27 PM]  (5/10)

 

See the 1st Discussion by Idril Celebrindal, November 2000

See the 2nd Discussion by nerdanel50, May 2003

See the 4th Discussion by Modtheow, June-July 2008

See the 5th Discussion by Ataahua, April 2011

See the 6th Discussion by oliphaunt, January 2016


 

The Black Gate is Closed

by Canto di Numenor, Oct 17-23, 2005

The Morannon    [10/17 @ 6:41 AM]  (9/14)

Dead End    [10/18 @ 6:31 AM]  (7/8)

Slinker or Stinker?    [10/19 @ 6:44 AM]  (6/6)

Frodo's Rebuke    [10/20 @ 6:41 AM]  (3/6)

The Other Way, Pt. 1    [10/20 @ 4:33 PM]  (4/12)

The Other Way, Pt. 2    [10/21 @ 2:23 PM]  (4/4)

Sam Sings & Frodo Decides    [10/23 @ 11:21 AM]  (6/7)

Open Discussion    [10/23 @ 11:37 AM]  (7/8)

 

See the 1st Discussion by Blue Wizard, November 2000

See the 2nd Discussion by Doorwarden of Theoden, May-June 2003

See the 4th Discussion by sador, July 2008

See the 5th Discussion by Hamfast Gamgee, April 2011

See the 6th Discussion by Al Carondas, January 2016


Everyone is laughing for heart's ease, now that they're in Ithilien! Join me in the Reading Room this week for a squireific topic-oriented discussion of Chapter 4, Book IV of The Two Towers: "Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit".
 
 

Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit

by squire, Oct 24-29, 2005

Introduction.    [10/24 @ 12:07 AM]  (4/6)

Characters: Sam (and Frodo)    [10/24 @ 7:22 AM]  (9/60)

Characters: Sam (and Gollum and War)    [10/24 @ 7:25 AM]  (6/8)

Characters: Frodo    [10/24 @ 12:14 PM]  (7/14)

Characters: Gollum    [10/24 @ 5:49 PM]  (6/18)

Characters: Faramir    [10/24 @ 10:30 PM]  (5/8)

Places: Ithilien – the Garden of Gondor.    [10/25 @ 7:36 AM]  (8/19)

Places: Gondor    [10/25 @ 12:38 PM]  (2/4)

Places: Mordor    [10/25 @ 6:44 PM]  (2/2)

Places: Maps    [10/25 @ 10:08 PM]  (2/3)

Themes: Warfare    [10/26 @ 7:33 AM]  (5/9)

Themes: Time and Light    [10/26 @ 3:15 PM]  (2/2)

Themes: Season   [10/26 @ 6:09 PM]  (3/5)

Themes: Food    [10/26 @ 11:04 PM]  (7/10)

Writing: Plot and Pacing.    [10/27 @ 1:44 AM]  (3/5)

Writing: Sources.    [10/27 @ 11:50 AM]  (5/7)

Writing: Style.    [10/27 @ 5:31 PM]  (7/17)

Commentary: History of Middle-earth.    [10/28 @ 8:07 AM]  (2/6)

Commentary: The Critics Speak.    [10/28 @ 8:41 AM]  (3/10)

Commentary: Letters    [10/28 @ 5:13 PM]  (2/2)

Open Discussion    [10/28 @ 10:48 PM]  (18/30)

I can't believe I have been away for so long...  <Beren IV>  [10/29 @ 11:57 PM]  (4/12)

 

See the 1st Discussion by Septembrist, Nov.-Dec. 2000

See the 2nd Discussion by gullygilly, June 2003

See the 4th Discussion by Saelind, July 2008

See the 5th Discussion by One Ringer, April 2011

See the 6th Discussion by Hamfast Gamgee, January 2016


Everyone is almost yielding to the desire to tell this grave young man, whose words seem so wise and fair, all that is in their minds. Join us in the Reading Room this week as we discuss Chapter 5 of Book IV in The Two Towers: "The Window on the West".
 

The Window on the West

by an seleichan, Nov 1-4, 2005

Strangely like the trial of a prisoner    [11/1 @ 9:36 PM]  (9/33)

Faramir and Boromir    [11/2 @ 1:41 PM]  (9/21)

Behind The Sunset Window    [11/2 @ 10:00 PM]  (10/38)

Ofermod and Gondorian culture    [11/3 @ 9:41 PM]  (4/12)

Faramir and Sam    [11/4 @ 11:13 PM]  (6/21)

Open Discussion    [11/7 @ 2:05 PM]  (7/13)

 

See the 1st Discussion by Septembrist, December 2000

See the 2nd Discussion by Celandine Brandybuck, June  2003

See the 4th Discussion by Menelwyn, July 2008

See the 5th Discussion by entmaiden, April 2011

See the 6th Discussion by MirielCelebdel, January 2016

 

Everyone is shivering, and wondering if anywhere in the vastness of the nightlands Frodo's old companions walk or sleep, or lie dead shrouded in mist. Join us in the Reading Room for this week's discussion of "The Two Towers" Book IV, Chapter 6: The Forbidden Pool

 

 

The Forbidden Pool

by Isis, Nov 6-12, 2005

#1    [11/6 @ 7:36 PM]  (6/16)

#2    [11/7 @ 4:31 PM]  (6/18)

#3    [11/8 @ 3:58 PM]  (9/32)

#4    [11/10 @ 7:03 PM]  (5/10)

#5    [11/12 @ 9:39 AM]  (7/16)

 

The 1st Discussion archive has been lost.

See the 2nd Discussion by hatster, June 2003

See the 4th Discussion by weaver, July-August 2008

See the 5th Discussion by Elizabeth, May 2011

See the 6th Discussion by Hamfast Gamgee, February 2016

Everyone is seeing the Sun sinking, finding at last the hem of the great slow-rolling pall of cloud, catching with its level beams the old king's head, before dipping and vanishing like the shuttering of a lamp. Join us in the Reading Room for this week's discussion of "The Two Towers" Book IV, Chapter 7: Journey to the Cross-roads

 

Journey to the Cross-roads

by Silent_Watcher, Nov 13-20, 2005

Journey to the Cross-roads. Welcome!    [11/13 @ 5:47 PM]  (2/5)

Faramir of Ithilien.    [11/14 @ 11:25 AM]  (7/19)

Of food and staves    [11/14 @ 6:27 PM]  (5/12)

The Parting    [11/15 @ 10:00 AM]  (4/9)

Gollum I or the fewer, the better.    [11/15 @ 6:06 PM]  (4/16)

The Sound of Silence    [11/16 @ 2:26 PM]  (2/7)

A glimpse of Minas Morgul    [11/17 @ 8:54 AM]  (5/5)

The Third Day    [11/17 @ 4:26 PM]  (7/15)

Gollum II: No time to lose    [11/18 @ 9:07 AM]  (2/2)

The Cross-roads    [11/18 @ 7:02 PM]  (4/8)

From light to darkness    [11/19 @ 8:47 AM]  (7/25)

Open Discussion    [11/20 @ 7:27 PM]  (7/7)

 

See the 1st Discussion by Gorel, December 2000

See the 2nd Discussion by NZ Strider, June 2003

See the 4th Discussion by a.s., August 2008

See the 5th Discussion by squire, May 2011

See the 6th Discussion by Mironiel, February 2016

Everyone is waiting, like a bird at the approach of a snake, unable to move, feeling more urgently than ever before, the command to join us in the Reading Room as we discuss Chapter 8 of Book IV of The Two Towers: "The Stairs of Cirith Ungol"

 

The Stairs of Cirith Ungol

by nefisa3, Nov 21-27, 2005

First Step    [11/21 @ 3:10 AM]  (2/3)

The Three Amigos    [11/21 @ 12:21 PM]  (6/9)

*Announcement* re: stairs of cirith ungol    [11/21 @ 8:16 PM]  (13/15)

The valley of death    [11/23 @ 2:10 AM]  (7/23)

Frodo Triumphant    [11/23 @ 7:21 PM]  (6/21)

Telling Tales    [11/25 @ 4:12 AM]  (7/11)

Rudeness and Ruin    [11/25 @ 6:16 PM]  (8/68)

Open Discussion    [11/27 @ 9:14 PM]  (14/41)

 

See the 1st Discussion by Kyriel, January 2001

See the 2nd Discussion by drogo_drogo, June-July 2003

See the 4th Discussion by Saelind, August 2008

See the 5th Discussion by Pryderi, May 2011

See the 6th Discussion by squire, February 2016

Everyone's head is whirling as with a draught of potent wine; wild joy at their escape from the very mouth of despair fills all their minds. But little do they know of the craft of Shelob, and the many exits from her lair! Join us in the Reading Room as we discuss The Two Towers, Book IV, chapter 9: "Shelob's Lair".

 

Shelob's Lair

by linkinparkelf, Nov 28-Dec 4, 2005

Shelob's Lair:  Come for a stroll?    [11/28 @ 2:42 AM]  (1/5)

In we go!    [11/28 @ 12:25 PM]  (6/12)

A walk in the dark    [11/28 @ 6:02 PM]  (6/26)

Turn on the light!    [11/29 @ 11:39 AM]  (5/20)

David Baggins and Goliath Ungol    [11/29 @ 11:50 AM]  (3/11)

I'm outta here!   [11/30 @ 3:32 PM]  (3/14)

A Glutton for Mutton   [12/1 @ 10:46 AM]  (4/14)

The Spider and the Sneak    [12/1 @ 3:23 PM]  (3/5)

The monster revealed    [12/2 @ 2:31 PM]  (6/15)

Revenge of the Sneak and Sam strikes back    [12/3 @ 2:51 PM]  (4/5)

Final Thoughts and Open Discussion    [12/4 @ 2:48 PM]  (7/9)

 

See the 1st Discussion by Kimi, January 2001

See the 2nd Discussion by JewelTook, July 2003

See the 4th Discussion by Beren IV, August 2008

See the 5th Discussion by CuriousG, May 2011

See the 6th Discussion by enanito, Feb-Mar 2016

"Mr. Frodo is dead! Not asleep, dead!" Everyone is weeping and kneeling and keeping a debate in their hearts, whether to take the Ring and see it through, alone, to the Crack of Doom and all. Join us in the Reading Room as we discuss Chapter 10 of Book IV in The Two Towers: "The Choices of Master Samwise".

 

The Choices of Master Samwise

by erather, Dec 5-10, 2005

Introduction    [12/5 @ 12:06 AM]  (3/9)

"Some desperate, small creature"    [12/5 @ 12:39 PM]  (6/107)

Who said that?    [12/5 @ 9:28 PM]  (7/16)

Catastrophe    [12/6 @ 2:22 PM]  (6/20)

Grief and Mourning    [12/6 @ 10:02 PM]  (5/6)

Options, none of them good    [12/7 @ 5:30 PM]  (4/4)

"I will take the Ring to Mordor."    [12/7 @ 9:51 PM]  (6/19)

Extra: The Social Construction of Sam    [12/8 @ 3:39 PM]  (2/4)

The Ringwearer    [12/8 @ 10:36 PM]  (3/3)

Orcs at work and play    [12/9 @ 9:35 PM]  (5/7)

Something slipped    [12/10 @ 2:47 AM]  (3/4)

The good news, and the bad    [12/10 @ 5:56 PM]  (2/13)

Open discussion    [12/10 @ 6:02 PM]  (11/20)

 

See the 1st Discussion by Annael, January 2001

See the 2nd Discussion by notlost, July 2003

See the 4th Discussion by Dreamdeer, August 2008

See the 5th Discussion by Standingstone, May-June 2011

See the 6th Discussion by N.E. Brigand, March 2016

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